Sunday, January 10, 2010

On Charles Davenport's (print edition) opinion piece in the Greensboro News & Record on Homosexuality and the definition of Natural Law

a loosely knit body of rules of action prescribed by an authority
higher than the state.

Natural Law, according to Russell Kirk

Russell Kirk (October 19, 1918 – April 29, 1994)
was an American political theorist, moralist,
historian, social critic, literary critic, and fiction author
known for his influence on 20th century American conservatism.

Was Russell Kirk an exalted philosopher,
like Aristotle and Plato?

Natural law or the law of nature
has been described as a law whose content is set by nature
and that therefore has validity everywhere.

As classically used, natural law refers to the use of reason
to analyze human nature and deduce binding rules of moral behavior.
Natural law

Why were women denied the right to vote until 1920?

Natural Law is derived from divine law

Charles Davenport

List of animals displaying homosexual behavior
Marriage shall not impede a man's right
to take concubines in addition to his wife or wives.

II Sam 5:13; I Kings 11:3; II Chron 11:21

Are people gay because they choose to be
or because it’s biological?

A marriage shall be considered valid only if the wife is a virgin.

If the wife is not a virgin, she shall be executed.

Deut 22:13-21

Marriage of a believer and a non-believer shall be forbidden.

Gen 24:3; Num 25:1-9; Ezra 9:12; Neh 10:30

If a married man dies without children,
his brother shall marry the widow.

Gen 38:6-10; Deut 25:5-10

Could the use of Mr. Davenport's definintion of Natural Law
violate the US Constitution?

No State shall make or enforce any law
which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States;
nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property,
without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution

"Their lifestyle choice should be opposed
only when they lobby for public approval"

Charles Davenport

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,
or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech,
or of the press;
or the right of the people peaceably to assemble,
and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
I look forward to Joe Guarino's response.
George Hartzman

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George Hartzman said...

If at least 5 out of every 100 people are gay
and there are 1000 people in a room
how many are gay?

Should gay people be allowed to teach
in Pre-k or elementary schools?

What are the chances of a Baptist preacher
calling something homogeneous?

"At what age did you choose to not be gay?"

John Stewart

Does religion have more protections under the law
than gay people?

Is religion more of a choice than homosexuality?

Jodi said...

The traditional (aka natural law) family unit is what society is built upon... as that breaks down, so does our country. This is evident in rates of poverty, depression, crime, low test scores, etc. Statistics don't lie and neither does real life experience.

When Christ came to this earth, he set people free from the Old Testament law (which you obviously had fun quoting)and established 9 out of 10 of the Commandments for Christians to follow. Jesus also gave us a blanket of grace to live under. The Holy Spirit inspired New Testament scriptures for us to guide our lives by.

Asking more questions will not lead you to an answer any sooner, than asking one question and then dealing with the truth. It's easy to see the struggle of one wrestling with not "divine law", but the Divine Law-Giver.

Anonymous said...

"Statistics don't lie and neither does real life experience."

Both can lie, especially statistics.

"When Christ came to this earth, he set people free from the Old Testament"

George Hartzman

Christ did? Where does Jesus say the first five books are null and void?

Why are they still included in the Christian bible, if they are not operable?

"9 out of 10 of the Commandments for Christians to follow"

Which are?

"It's easy to see the struggle of one wrestling with not "divine law", but the Divine Law-Giver."

Does this give you the right to discriminate against whomever you want because you can say the bible said so?

The US Contitution is irrelevent?

Jodi said...

Show me where they are lying... in this instance. Show me the statistics that prove broken families produce happy, healthy children with great test scores as well as financial stabililty and maybe even wealth for their folks.

"It was for freedom that Christ has set us free..." Galations 5:1 - free from the Old Testament "Law". Didn't say anything about null and void. The Old Testament is rich with history and prophecy. Without the Old Testament, Jesus as Savior would be extremely debatable.

As Christians we hold every day to be Holy - not just the Sabbath. (thus the 9 out of 10)

Discriminating? The Bible wants me to discriminate... huh?

Why would you think the Constitution is irrelevant?

George Hartzman said...

Broken families?

I thought we were talking about gays.

Good question on the stats of gay parents vs. "traditional"

"Galatians 5:1-12 (King James Version)

Galatians 5

1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.

3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

7 Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?

8 This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.

9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

10 I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded: but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be.

11 And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offense of the cross ceased.

12 I would they were even cut off which trouble you."

Again, where did Jewish, circumcised Jewish Jesus the Rabbi tell his followers they are "free" from the Old Testament?

"Why would you think the Constitution is irrelevant?"

If I am not mistaken, are you not using religion to circumvent the first and 14th amendments?

George Hartzman said...

"5:13 For you were called to freedom, brothers and sisters; 21 only do not use your freedom as an opportunity to indulge your flesh, 22 but through love serve one another. 23 5:14 For the whole law can be summed up in a single commandment, 24 namely, “You must love your neighbor as yourself.” 25 5:15 However, if you continually bite and devour one another, 26 beware that you are not consumed 27 by one another."